#DebatPTPTN #KJvsRafiziDebate Conclusions??? @bernamaradio24, @501Awani


I am pretty sure that there were many eyes watching the debate at Astro Awani Channel 501 and some could here through Bernama Radio 24.

What can we say about the debate?

Both presented their case and their point of view in interesting manner. Indeed their arguments, rebuttals and counter arguments between them excites the spectators, listeners and followers of the debate.

In the first part of the debate, we were presented with numbers by both sides. YB Khairy has given his, and Rafizi presented his calculations. Of course, to verify those numbers on the spot were a little bit difficult, but based on both, I think Rafizi has left out some of the cost elements, such as maintenance, salary paid to staff working for the education institutions and cost running the institutions. Perhaps, we can verify the numbers when both of them put up in their blogs.

Another point that I think Rafizi has mislead the debate spectators and followers was on the TS Tajuddin Ramli’s case. The debt of RM580 million owed by him was met with an arrangement with Danaharta by out of court settlement, not the debt is being waived. I am pretty sure, being an accountant himself, Rafizi should know the difference between settlement and waived. Therefore, I hope Rafizi can rectify the point given in the debate in regards to TS Tajuddin Ramli’s debt with Danaharta.

Also another highlight is the restriction made on those who are unable to pay that lead to blacklist. In a normal non-paying-debt, 3 months non-service non-performing loan enough to make a person hard to move around. However, for PTPTN, only after 22 months of non-servicing PTPTN loan, effected individual will be blacklisted. So, is it fair or not fair, a person being blacklisted and not allowed to go oversea after 22 months not servicing his or her loan? I leave it to the readers to use rationale.🙂

In brief, I am fine with all the arguments given by both sides. However, there’s one argument made by Rafizi that irritated me so much. That was when he said the IPTS under Pakatan Rakyat’s care were inherited from Barisan Nasional. Being a strategic director for PKR with claiming himself to be an accountant, I think that is very much a lame excuse for not being able to reduce the fee (what more to waive the fee!!!).

So, as a conclusion, what can we get from the debate? Jumping joy and loud support each time they presented their arguments? What can we learn?

Anyway, if one can noticed, I posted in my twitter a question that have been buzzing in my head since Tuesday morning, which indirectly related with how Rafizi presented some of his arguments, and how some other Pakatan Rakyat has been arguing when touching economy. The question also related to few questions I received in relation to oil royalty and Kelantan. What is the question?

There are 4 states under Pakatan Rakyat’s management – Penang, Kedah, Selangor and Kelantan. Out of these 4, three of the states do not dependant on oil royalty, but yet performing better than Kelantan. How and why that happens? Why  is it for Kelantan, oil royalty being used as an excuse for being one of the least performing states in Malaysia? Why Penang, Kedah and Selangor, without oil royalty can out perform Kelantan?

Whatever it is, I hope my dear readers can learn as much from the debate between YB Khairy and Rafizi.

Question on the street: What have you learn from the debate?

12 thoughts on “#DebatPTPTN #KJvsRafiziDebate Conclusions??? @bernamaradio24, @501Awani

    1. sebab?

      Hanya kerana saya komen Rafizi? Jadi, jika saya komen Rafizi, saya orang UMNO, begitu?

      Apa jadi kalau saya kritik YB Khairy? Saya orang PKR, PAS atau DAP?

  1. kalau ada sistem voting ala program realiti rasa rasa nya dua dua dapat undi lebih
    kurang sama banyak ja..

    saya prefer lagi debat mereka berdua di UK tak lama dahulu.

    credits to crowd, harap2 di masa akan datang lebih baik suasana penonton.

    retorik dan fakta,realiti dan praktikaliti.

    sudah tentu perkara berbilion bilion rm ini tak akan ditentukan oleh kesimpulan dan penghujahan daripada debat seperti ini.

    let the voters decide what’s the best for the nation

    1. Yes, personally I think the debate in UK is better. Rafizi macam kekok je debat dalam Bahasa Malaysia. He look more confident when debating in English. Don’t know why..

      Yes, let the voters decide.🙂

  2. kalau tgk gaya berhujah, either in english or our bahasa, both speakers sangat bagus! khairy especially…kalau utk appeal lapis masyarakat yang educated dan tinggi taraf ekonomi, khairy’s style nampak more convincing, tapi tak jugak nak kata rafizi “terlalu marhaen”..tu kalau bab gaya berhujah la..

    kalau bab facts and elaborasi hujah both of them have valid arguments..samada misleading or not kena perhalusi every figures yang di beri berkaitan dgn topic.

    suka nak bertanya dgn encik onda, hang rasa najib and anwar wajar tak berdebat mcm pemimpin2 junior nie?

    kalau ikut muhyiddin, dia kata debat mcm ni tak perlu..but i guess, for political milleage kedua kedua pihak, such debate is good.

    1. Agree with memperhalusi the facts and figures given by them. I think I will do another round, if Allah permits me to do it when the script is out and ready for thorough analysis. Just for the sake of record and discussion, if necessary.🙂

      As for the debate between DS Najib and DS Anwar, I have no problem.

      However, I am little bit skeptical with how the followers perceive the debate as such. Secondly, the tendency of PR leaders to block people who asked them questions, or at times, chicken out and block whenever they can no longer debate with whoever their debate.

  3. what is the outcome of the debate? more/better information? slugfest? political mileage?

    I am “actions-speaks-louder-than-words” guy. Debate la sebanyak mana pun, kalau takde results yang boleh ditunjukkan, all are but mere words.

    1. Bro,
      If you look into the facts and information both of them try to provide, they were trying to say what has and has not delivered.

      However, as stated in the article, kind of dissapointed when Rafizi try to take a way out by saying they inherited from BN.. a very much typical excuse since 2008….

  4. Tahniah…Dua2 menang..Khairy menang pasal dia buktikan bahawa DIA lah org UMNO yg berani, yg lain tak nampak keberaniannya berdebat live..
    Rafizi menang pasal dapat menyalurkan maklumat pada rakyat ttg apa PR nak utk rakyat. Biasanya org UMNO yg ulas apa PR nak bagi kat rakyat, seolah2 dia org ni Allah..cuma Allah tau isi hati dan niat seseorang tu..
    Rafizi menang pasal Khairy tak jawab soalan pasal PTPTN, tapi dok lari sana sini ttg isu2 lain…
    Khairy pun hentam UMNO secara tak direct…
    Dan tentang Monash Univ yg Khary cakap “Tak complete” or “Tak lengkap” tu, sila saman Khairy pasal perlekeh Univ korang…
    Cuma ASTRO dah potong bab ” Saya cabar Najib & Anwar” dalam siaran2 ulangan debat tu….so, since aku masih ada contract lagi dgn ASTRO, tak pe lah…selesai 12 bulan nanti, aku insya Allah potong langganan aku…

    1. hehehehe, tak kan pasal astron potong part najib and anwar di cabar anda mau unsuscribe astro…rugi woo…astro ada bola, ada berita, ada ilmu, ada hiburan, semua ada…lupa kah iklan astro semua ada dulu..?

  5. lagi banyak debat lagi matang politik di malaysia. banyak rahsia sebenarnya yang kita sengaja tidak ditahukan oleh bn, nasib pr rungkai perkara2 yang tidak sepatutnya dilakukan , contoh wang petronas yang diambil disebut oleh Rafizi langsung tidak dijawab timbul tanda tanya wang sebanyak itu. 55 tahun bn sudah berkuasa apa yang ada semua sudah nampak, puas hati atau tidak? Di sarawak tak ada apa pun jalan semua tidak ada, nak kata kita terbaik apa buktinya. PR belum tahu lagi belum memerintah, kata Rafizi memang baik dengan formula penjimatan tender terbuka. Sesiapa kerajaan asalkan tidak rasuah dan kroni baiklah itu, pulau pinang sangat baik jadi contoh negeri di malaysia, ditadbir siapa?

    1. Saudara,
      Pulau Pinang ditadbir oleh DAP, bukan Pakatan Rakyat secara kolektif seperti yang diwarwarkan kepada rakyat. Begitu juga Kelantan dan Kedah, dimana PAS mentadbirnya. Hanya Selangor yang ditadbir secara bersama.

      Terima kasih.

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